Ep 15: The Gene Keys Venus Sequence (Love and Relationships) w/ Elijah Parker

Elijah from Gene Keys imparts some knowledge and wisdom about the Gene Keys Venus Sequence - this episode is about how we are in relationship with every area of our lives. 

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Transcript

Rachel: [00:00:00] Hi everyone! This week we have a special guest, Elijah from Gene Keys, and he's here to talk about Gene Keys in general, but also the upcoming Venus Retreat that I will be joining. Registration for this Venus Retreat closes on October 31st, 2022, but the three main courses that Gene Keys offers are available at any time.

I am now a Gene Keys affiliate, so you can find out more using my affiliate link below. One quick note is that my microphone wasn't plugged in for the first couple minutes of this interview, but we were able to fix it after that. So if you can get through the first couple minutes, then you're good. So please enjoy this conversation with Elijah, who was so articulate and thoughtful in talking about the Gene Keys.[00:01:00] 

Hi, everyone. Welcome back. I'm here with Elijah Parker, who is part of the Gene Keys publishing team, also has a lot of his own creative ventures with a lot of different media. So he makes music, visual art, oracle cards. It sounds like you also do project management and events and things too, very cool. And he's leading the Gene Keys Venus Retreat.

I'm doing the Gene Keys Venus Retreat and I'm really looking forward to it. So we'll learn a little bit more about that in a second, but welcome Elijah. 

Elijah: Oh, thank you. It's such a pleasure to be here. 

Rachel: So it would be great if you could just give us a little bit of an intro to Gene Keys and maybe even what you do and just.

That's sort of how it came into your life. 

Elijah: I love that. You know, Jinki's, especially if you've been exploring human design at all, it's a [00:02:00] parallel, you know, it was seeded from the human design magic. And Richard Rudd is an amazing poet and mystic. And he took the 64 gates, the 64 keys, the 64, the I Ching, and brought it through his own experiences, his own kind of enlightening experiences.

Made this spectrum, this journey of every key having a shadow, a victim state, a constricted state, to its gift, to its creative potential, and all the way to the city, the highest essence. And it became a map and you can get your profile on the Gene Keys profile, which is very similar, it's, it's different than human design, but it walks you through, like a, I always called it that hologenetic hopscotch map, right?

You get this journey, a step by step journey to explore your keys. And that's really what drew me to Jinkies. I found Jinkies way before human design, or obviously I was familiar with astrology and different things. I was a little bit of a cynic when I first [00:03:00] kind of encountered all of this. But what drew me to it was the miraculous and eerily accurate assessment of some of my own challenges in life, and gave me new perspective.

And I think that's what's so powerful about any contemplation tool is It helped me just see myself a little bit more permission to see myself in a unique way and then some helpful guidance and tools to see that same energy into its more blossom state. So it's been an adventure for me and I'm really grateful for it as a language and then how it also introduced me to human design and other just people all around the world who are looking at themselves maybe a little bit differently than our cultural or our economic or our conditioned reality would see itself and I think that's why it excites me, because it brings very unique and amazing beings together to explore themselves and explore each other.

Rachel: Definitely. That's very similar to the experience I've had just entering the world of human design and meeting people [00:04:00] online, and I don't know if this is your experience, but ever since I got into all of this stuff, I make the majority of my friends online, because it's like, it's a little beacon kind of out there that Attracts people that sort of speak the same language since we talk about mostly human design here What do you think is I mean, I see jinkies and human design is Fully complimentary and very different in a lot of ways, but for someone who's not so familiar with Gene Keys, what would you say is sort of the difference between the 

Elijah: two?

Yeah, I agree. I think they're, they can be very complimentary. Cause I don't think either are trying to do what the other system is kind of breathing into the world. I think Gene Keys for me has a mystical, a poetic side that I don't always see inside the traditional human design language, but. You see it in the genius of people, right?

And so Richard, who's kind of bringing through this particular lens is a poet. As I said, he's a storyteller. So you get a lot more of the [00:05:00] mythical elements. And I also think it is less about seeing your whole body graph and your particular type and authority. Which is valuable mechanics to learn how to navigate your decision making and reality.

And instead, I think it offers these archetypal, I call them almost like portals, right? They're keys, they're unlocking something. And so it's a little less of telling me about myself and a little more of here's a sphere to contemplate, here's a wisdom inside you to see what it wants to unlock and unravel.

And by giving these kind of step by step journey, sometimes it can be difficult to navigate human design or astrology or these other systems unless you have a guide like right there, because there's not always a singular journey through it, and the Jinki's unfolds in sequences in these kind of journeys, and while you can do them at any time, and you can just even open the book to a random chapter, it's always going to have some oracular wisdom for you, that's the Tao, that's the [00:06:00] magic of archetypes.

But I think it's powerful to have kind of a journey laid out for you that is less about maybe your type and your decision making strategies and more about what are these wisdom stories inside you and how do they unfold in your contemplation? So I love how they marry because I can see my design in one lens and I can look at a particular, you know, if you're looking at human design, you have these gates, these bridges, these connections.

I can now kind of look at a story inside each of those individual gates. And it's been really powerful for me to kind of see it from different angles. Even this morning, kind of reading your website and like reimbibing my human design, and I could see how I've found similar insights in the gene keys.

But they're looking at them from different perspectives. And I think that always gives us more fuel for our genius. If that makes sense. 

Rachel: Yes, I totally agree. And I've had a similar experience where human design is so practical. [00:07:00] It's like, you're going to hear that more out of your left ear or spend more time in a city environment.

Whereas. I feel like, yeah, astrology, and particularly Gene Keys, is really poetic, and it really does get to that soul stuff, because For me, human design is really how you can create the best vehicle for your soul to experience life, whereas it's, it's not really speaking to that soul stuff. So sometimes I think people get a little bit confused with that.

Like you said, there are some of those soul things to be found, especially in like the Incarnation Cross in particular, I think really touches on that, but the majority of it doesn't. And I would say that a lot of us could experience the exact same soul stuff with completely different designs and also experience completely different soul stuff with the same designs.

So I kind of like that it doesn't get to the soul like stories [00:08:00] and that part of us and we have these other tools for that. So yeah, I, I definitely agree. What have been some of the biggest, like, epiphanies or changes you've made in your life since you found Gene Keys and started to integrate this wisdom?

Elijah: Oh, I love that. You know, it just lights me up when you said, like, speaking to the soul stuff. Because I think, in my life, I've been a creative, I've been an artist, I've, I've, I luckily grew up in an environment for soul to be a part of the conversation. But I don't find that's true for many people or the, the only ways that we talk about that soul stuff is in church or in psychedelics or in very, very interesting like environments that we create where it's safe to talk about soul stuff.

So I think what was most powerful for me about Jinkies is I encountered it when I also moved into community and I started living in an artistic community. And it was immediately, as you said, Oh, we're meeting people and having a language to talk about soul stuff, [00:09:00] to talk about these deep, powerful patterns in our life that maybe before that I didn't have another language for, and I definitely wasn't engaging with other people at that level.

So that was an exciting part of it is it was an inner journey because we all have our own design, our own jinkies, our own experience of life, but then it's also. Getting to meet and understand that we're all on these parallel, amazing journeys of genius. So it gave me really real tools of what happens in community conflict, what happens in relationship conflict, what happens in feeling spiritually drained and vapid, and not feeling the flow in my life.

And instead of getting angry at each other, angry at my friends, angry at my partners. It gave this, I call it the trilogue, right? It was another person in our dialogue of, hey, there are these archetypes that we get to explore together. And so I got to bring more joy and adventure to the journey of looking at myself, [00:10:00] honestly.

Because you have these shadow words like greed and judgment and stress and we all know what that lives like in our body and we see the problems. And we may not always have words for it, but I think many humans know what it means to suffer, right? I think we've all found our realization of suffering. I think the Jinkies brought me an adventure because I'm a gamer and a mytho poetic guy and it gave me this, no, we're on this journey together and individually and inside that shadow isn't just something to slay and get rid of and fix and I'm not broken.

It's actually incredible energy that's locked in a pattern and is awaiting me to, to bring my love to it. So I think the fact that it brought joy and curiosity and playfulness to shadow work to honest introspection to relationship challenges, that's carried with me. And I can honestly say over like, I've been doing this particular work for like 12 years, and I feel like there's a change in my body around crisis and emotional [00:11:00] challenge where even if I'm uncomfortable, especially when I'm uncomfortable, especially when I'm still hurting or sad or angry.

There's a willingness and a capacity to be with those uncomfortable sensations and know that something genius is emerging from this challenge. And I definitely owe Jinki's a lot for that practice in my life. 

Rachel: I agree completely. I actually just recorded a short podcast that I released today, um, just kind of talking about some things that generators and MGs in particular can do that really are transformative.

One of them is understanding the soul, like your soul's path. Because just like you said, there's just going to be stuff in life. That's not that great, especially I feel like in the first 30 years, you know, we're just, we're getting used to being here. We all have patterns and things to learn, and when we kind of understand what those are, you can remove all the emotional charge from it.

So, I completely agree, like, North nodes [00:12:00] were really helpful for me in that way, and I feel like North nodes really only scratch the surface, and that's why I love Gene Keys so much, because I feel like it goes much deeper into that. And once I understood my North node, I was like, Oh, okay. So that's why this pattern of I'm a Aries North node.

So like, that's why this Libra South node pattern of just like codependency and not being able to stand up for myself. Like this is coming into my Olympic over and over and over and over. And once I understood that, I was like, Oh, this is no big deal. Like, I don't have to melt down over this. I can just be an Aries North node about this, learn the lesson and move on.

So I completely agree. It really helps when we understand the stories. And I really like what you said about seeing it as more of like a journey or an adventure. That's where a lot of people sort of get lost or get down about what they're experiencing because it can feel like Why aren't things perfect?

Why aren't the things the way I thought they should be like just all the kind of ideas that the mind gets about how Life should be and when you learn to [00:13:00] Experience it just as an adventure. It's like okay. Well, this is my adventure of soul expansion What do you think is the best place for someone who's new to gene keys to get into it?

So I'm actually fairly new to the deeper part I got the book around the time that I got into human design so I read through it like I pulled my chart and I read through the sections, but I feel like Actually hearing Richard's recordings really like took it to a new level because he is such a talented storyteller.

Those are just so incredible. So it was actually like earlier this summer that for some reason I was like, I should do this. So I started with actually the Pearl sequence, then I did the activation sequence and the Venus sequence is actually the last one I'm doing. So this was perfect that the Venus sequence or like the Venus retreat came up.

What's a good place that you think that people should start? 

Elijah: Yeah, that's a great question. I think two of the things that I've loved, like what you said, listening to Richard is a really great thing [00:14:00] to do. I always think of it like, have tea with the jinkies, right? Like, just take 20 minutes, sit and imbibe, and then let it be in your field for a week or even a month.

And that's what we do a lot in the retreats, is we sit with one Jinki, one sphere, one line, for a whole month. And of course, all these other things are happening in our life, but the Jinkis, the magic is gentleness, and contemplating slowly and patiently, and letting them unravel inside you, and inside your life.

One of the great ways, you can get your free profile, and just even listen to the first audio that comes with it, and see what kind of lights up for you. And one way you can follow it is, yeah, just reading or listening to the Jinkies in your profile or, uh, listening to the pulse, the every seven days or five, five and a half days when the, the sun moves to a new gate.

We explore that theme globally, so you don't even have to look at your own birth chart necessarily to start to let these stories inform you because whether or not we have it in our [00:15:00] design, we're interacting with these keys, these gates all the time. And those are two light ways of, you know, 20 minutes a week, just a simple way to taste it.

And if you want to dive in deeper, then the courses are all great for different reasons. The activation or the Venus, I think, are some of the most powerful. If you've already done your human design, the activation sequence is a great way to look at your incarnation cross from a different perspective. You get the audios for those four keys.

And it walks you deeply into what the Gene Keys transmission, I think, is really at its heart about. And so that's always a great place to start is with the activation sequence. Even if you're familiar with your keys, I think, I mean, like I said, I've been doing this for like 12 years. I recently redid my activation sequence and it was just profound.

How it's like I've never read them and yet I wrote them myself many millennia ago. And you just start to reveal new layers of it. So I love the activation for that. It's like four steps to [00:16:00] deepen into these keys. But right now we do have this exciting Venus retreat. So if you are hearing this in October or, uh, we, we end right at, uh, October 31st, November 1st, and then we'll be starting.

So if you do see a retreat, I think doing it in groups of people is a powerful practice. It's a way to, we're all on our individual journey, but we're also doing this together. And it also keeps a rhythm going because sometimes it's easy to forget, you know, to, Oh, I read something, I put it down and it could be a year before I pick it back up.

And there's a beauty in that magic to follow the synchronicities, but also for a time period, it can be really helpful to just say, I'm going to work with one of my spheres, one of my gene keys for a month. And see what unravels. So I would say it's a little bit choose your adventure, which is not the easiest answer, but I do think that the activation of the Venus are powerful ways because they provide a very step by step process.

Rachel: Yeah. And especially if you're someone with an undefined heart in human design, if you don't have [00:17:00] that built in willpower, maybe doing a retreat where you have that structure of doing it with other people, always very helpful because yeah, I echo what you're saying about each time I listen to the audios, I hear something completely different and that's crazy because some of them I did listen to probably three years ago and now I'm listening to them again and I'm like, okay, this is.

It's completely new information in a lot of ways, and I've even listened to the ones that I listened to earlier this summer, like a month later, and my mind was getting blown in other ways. It's so, it's so crazy. And I feel this way about human design too. There's just so much there that it's almost like your, your mind or something or your soul sort of filters out what you're meant to hear at that moment.

And then you'll hear something else later when you need to hear that. And having that full month for contemplation, I'm really excited for that because I haven't really had that experience yet, so I'm really looking forward to that. Do you want to walk us through the [00:18:00] Venus Sequence? 

Elijah: Sure. Well, I do have your chart, uh, nearby as well, and I thought that would be fun to ask some questions.

Rachel: Yeah, that'd be great. 

Elijah: You know, the Venus Sequence, it, it, structurally, it's, it's technically part two, right? You have this activation sequence, we look at the Incarnation Cross, and And I also think really the, the basis of the activation is to tune us in with our life's challenges and keep dropping us deeper into the body, into relaxing into these parts of our design and of, of our true purpose, which isn't just the theater of what we do out there, but here as human beings.

And then the Venus sequence are the red spheres. If you look at your Jinkies profile, you'll see these red circles and that's the Venus sequence and they rise up from the purpose from the very bottom of the chart. And I always think of them like the inner plumbing of our system and their Venus and Mars gates.

They're the design moon and design earth. And they have these impacts in our, especially the way the sequence unfolds. To [00:19:00] look at our relationships, to look at our past, our conditioning as child, you know, our age periods like 14 to 21 in our teenage years, and 7 to 14 as our emotional body is coming online in new ways, and 0 to 7 when our physical body is being conditioned, and all the way back to the point of conception, to that great sacred wound when we split from whatever the all that is, And started becoming this individuated being.

And so it's, it's a recapitulation of our relationships. And also how are those patterns still influencing our current relationships? That's why I love that it starts with the purpose, this doorway of purpose of our purpose is through our relating, you know, and, and the pearl sequence later talks about how our work connects to the larger culture and shines out in the world.

And that's amazing. But I really feel like our greatest gifts are investment of the cultivation that we experience in relationship. So for me, it's the meat of the [00:20:00] whole thing. And. Even if you just look at one jinky, like feeling into the purpose jinky and relaxing into that state and then learning. What are my patterns in relating, and where am I reacting or repressing or constricting around those patterns, avoiding those patterns, and where am I embracing and unlocking and understanding relationship, even if the other person doesn't?

And I think that's the secret to the Venus Sequences. This isn't about fixing my partner. It's not about finding the perfect thing. It's actually about being in relationship to myself. And, you know, I love that your purpose is Junkitana's being. Is this like, this deep, you know, it moves from the shadow of self obsession to the gift of naturalness to the city of being.

And I'm curious, like, how has that shown up for you? Just to feel into your Venus. 

Rachel: Oh man, um, I was thinking about that a lot this week because I listened to that one and it shows up in like a couple of my sequences, doesn't it? [00:21:00] 

Elijah: Potentially. I only see it on the one. Oh, well, it's, it's the end of your activation sequence in the beginning.

Yeah, absolutely. 

Rachel: Yeah. So, oh man, I actually think I listened to that one when I was doing one of the other sequences earlier this year. And I was actually like walking to the gym and then lifting weights as I listened to it. I was just like, I had to stop. Like I was mind blown because. It was kind of the answer to exactly all the like bad stuff I had been feeling because I was just kind of in like a frustrated place.

But basically, yeah, I mean, I can definitely feel that that is something that's very important for me to embody. And at the same time, it feels like so difficult. Sometimes it's like, sometimes I feel like I'm the least natural person in the entire world. Like I overthink everything. So, yeah, it, a lot of them are like that for me, where I'm like, I can see that that is such a deep thing that I'm like, capable of, and when I can get there, like, I feel so amazing.[00:22:00] 

And then at other times, it's like, that is the hardest thing. So yeah. 

Elijah: 100%. I, and, you know, mine's expectation or the fear of failure and disappointment. And that's, that's exactly my experience is like. It's crippling to feel that feeling in my body, but it's also a compassion to understand like that's a part of me and I'm learning to be in relationship with that part of me.

And I love how you have that line three there. In fact, I noticed almost your entire Vena sequence is line threes. 

Rachel: Yeah. 

Elijah: And, and what we were talking about earlier, the adventure and the playfulness and the experimentation of life is going to have highs and lows, right? And there was this magic when I heard you say like, Oh, you were listening to it and exercising and needing to pause.

Like it's all a part of that. There's this amazing power of the line three to explore through the senses and learn through the senses and learn through movement and change. And, you know, it's even called the blood of your body when it's in the purpose [00:23:00] there. So I just really want to honor that. It's not ever an easy journey, but a bit of your, like what I reflect on what I feel from you and how you share your work is.

Your lived experience is fueling all of the work that you share in the world and your humanness to know that it's hard to feel natural is actually what ignites naturalness in your field as a purpose. I just love that that's the the magic of this of this game is we have to be in relationship to ourselves and then thus that becomes our gifts that we give to others.

Rachel: I completely agree. And yeah, I mean, I'm a one three profile in human design. I'm always going to be doing that experimentation. That's just part of life. And it is so funny that often, the things that we end up focusing on and like our businesses or our purpose are those very things that we struggle with the most at times.

And that kind of makes sense on a level to me because Of course, if it's the thing that you have sort of the most tension with, it's the thing you're going to have the most experience with and just the most interest in. [00:24:00] So that totally makes sense. 

Elijah: I love that. The thing that you have the most tension with, you have the most experience with, I think that's a profoundly.

Perfect way of saying that. And I think that's what, for me, what the, what the jinkies in human design do is they give us a language to identify those things. So we can kind of categorize them, notice them, be with them on a deeper level. But inevitably it doesn't matter about the numbers. It doesn't matter about remembering any of this.

You're, you are these things. And wow, that, that tension is a deep relationship, right? It's, it's as, it's as most of a close relationship as we can get. And it's probably informed our trauma, you know, whether it's trauma or just challenge or experience, it's like our bodies know that very deeply. And I think that's what the beauty of the Venus sequence reminds us is we are designed with these wounds.

Not as something wrong. These neuroses, these tensions, these, you know, ways that we see the world, they're not wrong. They're, they may be different [00:25:00] than the status quo that we see in the world, but if anything, they're here for to be medicine. And I think that's always why I look at them as our shamanic superpowers in relationships, right?

It's like when I'm Actually relax with my shadows of force and desire and purposelessness like I I can relax some of those agendas and actually be there with lightness and totality and majesty and and those become my gifts to others. But it's it's not that I have to learn a specific tool or technique.

I think that's that's the trappings of the mind is like Oh, I'm supposed to do something with this. I really feel that tension as information. No, I've always been informed how to shine out these particular gifts. And again, it's relationship. It can I be in a compassionate relationship with myself and my patterns and thus have more compassion for other people and their patterns.

But more importantly, I know how I can respond with that naturalness, right? I can trust in that a little bit deeper. 

Rachel: Exactly. [00:26:00] I think there's sometimes some distortion, especially in sort of like online or self improvement spaces of like, Oh, these are tools we can use to like hack our life and have the best life ever.

And in my mind, it's just not how it works. It's kind of like what we talked about earlier. it can alleviate a lot of the stress and anxiety around these things that happen to us. But really all you're doing when you're living your full design isn't having the best life ever. It's having the life for you.

So it's like these challenges are kind of built into your experience and yeah, like the more you kind of understand them or are aware of them, just the, the more clearly you can approach what's happening to you and maybe like suffer less, I would say. But, yeah, it's definitely not about having any kind of perfect life.

Elijah: One of my teachers always says, pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Exactly, 

Rachel: I totally agree. 

Elijah: I love that you said [00:27:00] that about the tools, and when we move up to the attraction field in the Venus sequence, I think it's one of my favorite Kind of, um, challenges that Richard put in the Venus sequence is this idea of law of attraction and manifest what you want and how to hack your, your brain and aura to get the best partner of your life, all that stuff.

It's like, what if we're not here to tweak the attractor fields, but what if this magnetic mystery force in our life? Is drawing the exact minerals and experiences that we need to live our Dharma. And that's a very different goal than what I think I want. Um, and you know, I know in the mysteries of human design, we have this magnetic, you know, drawing of our truth through this magnetic influence.

And I think the attraction sphere speaks very much to that. It's specifically the moon's energy and that attraction field. And it, and it deals with emotions and creativity and sexuality and partnerships. And again, none of this as a bypass or as a, uh, [00:28:00] excusing other people's behavior, violence, abuse, like, challenge, but what is our agency and authority in how we deal with the challenges that are attracted to us and the gifts that are attracted to us?

And that's what that gene key is all about, is how do we, how do we, Navigate that field of attraction. 

Rachel: Exactly, and if anyone's listening and wants to look at their own chart while we're talking about this, you can get your hologenetic profile at genekeys. com for free. 

Elijah: Yeah, grab your free profile and we're looking at these red spheres and you can see they'll tell you the three words.

Uh, so for for let's see, Rachel, you have a dislocation as the shadow of that word. To orientation as the gift to unity and you'll see they're stacked in that spectrum so that we see they're all kind of there for me that jinky is so much about the great mother of the infiniteness of spaciousness and the feeling of feeling lost we are spinning through this galaxy a million miles an hour there is there is [00:29:00] there is no ground.

And the Jinki too knows that and it feels that and it can feel lost or it tries to fill that hole in order to not feel dislocated. But orientation is that magic of you are here now you are the omni centered point of this infinite universe and orienting through your heart through your love through compassion through and for you with a line three through your play through your your engagement with the human story.

And, and how deeply that yielding with life and communicating with life allows that feeling of sense of unity, of even though we're alone and maybe only a speck of dust in an infinite universe, we're also connected in that field. So it's a really potent, uh, attraction field to be calling in both experiences and challenges of feeling dislocated, lost, undiscombobulated.

And yet also attracting stories and adventures and playfulness to help us orient and help you orient. [00:30:00] And remember that even when you make mistakes, right, even when we fall in the hole, even when we feel that lostness, there's a laughter, a humanness, a connective spirit that's kind of guiding us back.

Does that resonate for you in your journey? 

Rachel: Yeah, it definitely does. I feel like I'm constantly moving from like, confusion, clarity, confusion, clarity. And once I sort of embraced not really knowing or being, you know, rooted in one thing. a lot of things opened up for me on a very deep level. So 

Elijah: That's really cool to feel that when you're when you can be rooted in change Yeah, there's flow 

Rachel: exactly, like I think I spent a lot of time and I still struggle with this sometimes of like Oh, when I can finally arrive there, it's like, I'm never going to arrive and that's okay.

Like I can just arrive right now. So yeah, I can always arrive. It's fine. 

Elijah: There was a, there was a great permission in your writing and your work. I was reading one of your [00:31:00] pieces today and there was a great permission for the, I don't know that of course I've heard in other ways, but I really just felt it through some of your, your blog posts and your writing and.

I think that's a really cool magic of you rooted in your own change and the kind of, you know, the laugh that I'm hearing over the headphones, like it gives my, my cells a little bit of permission to, okay, I can, I can be safe in that unknown. I think that Jinky too, there is always reminding us that, of that we can be safe inside this unknown, inside this change.

Rachel: I honestly feel like realizing all those things and it and laughing about them is it's like one of the funniest things there is like I can laugh so hard about just like the ridiculousness of it all which is good because my other like my my conscious son in human design is the 46 which is like my shadow is seriousness that one has been hard for me for sure and just kind of like living in that ecstasy of like it's all just hilarious.

It's [00:32:00] very helpful. So I can't always be there, but I feel that right now. 

Elijah: And I think that's what's so cool looking at your chart and because you have all these line threes scattered throughout your whole Jinkies profile. And I think that's one of its main magics is that, that genuine laughter. You know, and it's not the laughter that dismisses your feelings because you're the vessel of love, right?

You have that seriousness key. And then you also have this deep, deep acceptance of the pain of the universe is what I would say. This vessel is actually here to really feel. And especially as a one three, I would say like, yeah, the feeling sensation is real. And in turn, I think often we either medicate and avoid and escape.

Because it's too tough to feel the intensity of what is real. Laughter can be that just like any addiction pattern can be that any mental pattern can be that human design and jinkies can be as escapist as they are. Revelatory, [00:33:00] but the willingness to commit. Is what I think suddenly transform it. And now I can, it is the greatest joke in the world.

You know, I have celebration three times in my chart and it's the great punchline, we are all dying and there is nothing to hold on to. And that is easy to say and hard to live. And especially in times of real crisis and, and matter things that do matter. Even with your 46, that seriousness to delight to ecstasy doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

Rachel: Mm hmm. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Sometimes the way to, to make it matter the most is to kind of release it. Like I don't, I don't really know how to explain that, but I had an experience of that lately where I like really had to take a couple of months off from my work to focus on another project. And at the time it felt like, Oh, this is the worst thing to ever happen to me.

Like, this is not what I'm supposed to be doing right now. This is like ruining everything. And I got to the end of it and I went back to my work and I was like, Oh my God, that was the best thing that ever happened to me [00:34:00] because I just don't care in the same way I did before. And it's like freeing up all of this stuff.

Which is so interesting, so I'm kind of just at the beginning of living that I'll be curious to see kind of what happens But it's it's very hard for me to not care and just being in that like good not caring place is so nice 

Elijah: And you know, I think I I feel it in my body when I'm caring so much that I'm clinging It is a different sensation in my body, right?

And then when I hear you in that not caring It's like the healthy not caring. Is that relaxing? Mm hmm That's what I always look at when we're looking at the Jinkies, and maybe it's also us as generators, but like, there's that magic there of learning and decoding these subtle body influences that the, that the body is teaching me about my relationship with this challenge.

And in the Venus sequence, the next two are the IQ and the EQ, this dance of Venus and Mars, but also the mind and the heart's relationship to triggers. And are we [00:35:00] collapsing in our mind in order to, you know, or triggered in our mind and then, you know, for you, you have the jinky of judgment, I have the jinky of desire, you know, these shadows that like, how do we handle that trigger?

And do we collapse into that trigger? Do we react against that trigger? And EQ, how do we dance with that challenge? Are we building defense systems? You know, and for you, you have the shadow of oppression, that transmutation genki, and I have force to strength, this like bulldozer of my emotional body. And so we get to learn this emotional system.

And this mental system and how they actually want to be in a dance with our challenges and what the real intelligence like with that project. Oh, wow. That pause, that break was the perfect thing for my energy around this and same with relationships. Oh, wow. If I can use this challenge as a catalyst for my own love and compassion, I can actually make choices that benefit the intelligence of both sides of this relationship.

At [00:36:00] least in the long term, I genuinely feel that it may feel intense in the short term to leave the project, to say that thing that I need to voice for my own agency, but in the longer term, if I'm being dishonest, if I'm not being in correct flow with myself in this relationship, whether it's a project, a person, or life, No one's winning.

And so I think EQ are here to kind of teach us that dance and the intelligence of relationships, including its triggers. 

Rachel: Yeah. I think that if I were to start all this over again, I think I would start with the Venus sequence because I feel like the first lessons I learned sort of on my like path of spiritual awakening were definitely around relationships.

That was just like what life brought me. And I think that's where a lot of people start because it's an incredible. I don't know. It's just we all have them and it's such a good classroom for applying all of these things on a small like a smaller level and then we kind of expand out into our purpose and I guess that's kind of why [00:37:00] like the Venus is on the inside.

It's like like you're saying it's sort of like the meat and bones of the whole thing. I never really thought about it. How we're in relationship to all of these different things in our lives. Like, yeah, relationship to our work and not just people, of course ourselves. But yeah, I think sometimes I don't think enough about the relationship to business and work.

So this, this will be good. 

Elijah: You know, I think that's what's, you know, I've had that thought before, but I think that's what having done the Venus sequence and entering it again this year. That's been the big thesis for me is already, it's like. Everything as relationship. I think you just said it too, of it's something we all have, you know, it's like the whole death and taxes.

Well, it's also relationship, even, even if we don't have a permanent stable partner or, you know, it's, it's also with. The people we meet on the street when we have to interact for our groceries, or we have to, you know, [00:38:00] or the hunting and gathering that we do for money out in this commercial world. Like we are, it's everything in business is about relationship and you can ignore that as much as you want.

And you can try to be cold about that or calculated about that. And that works to a degree. There are ways to manipulate and control in order to get what we think we want. But for me, The Jinkies provides a question, an inquiry of what is the real purpose of this grand experiment called life. And many people at the end of their life will not just be talking about the mountains they've climbed and the businesses that they've built and the money that they've earned, but they're going to be speaking to the relationships that they either formed, Or unfortunately, sometimes regret that they didn't form.

That includes not just when we say relationship with self, but how do I handle challenge? How do I handle love? Am I letting love in? Actually, you know, that's one of my deep things. I, I'm very difficult to love. You know, I [00:39:00] can spray it out all day long because I care about humanity, but man, it is, it is difficult for me to let it in deeply and to, to be received.

And that's not on anyone else. That's my relationship with love that I'm learning and unwinding and relaxing into. So I definitely think it's all relationship on one level. And, and that makes the Venus that much more powerful to me is it's. Exploring my relationship to all relationship. So the SQ, you know, these funny words, IQ being intellectual quotient, EQ being emotional quotient, which is a lot more understood, right?

Is like, we have these different ways of heart, mind relationships, but the SQ back to soul stuff, right? They ask you a spiritual quotient and it's right at the center of the chart. And I love this cosmometry because it's like, no, the bullseye is the heart. It is the innocent love of who we are. And while planetarily it's calling on our design Venus, even more than the [00:40:00] planet and the gate.

This symbol represents the Lotus of our physical childhood, like zero to seven, when we were actually kids and also the primordial innocence of our soul, the signature of our soul, the name of love that we are. And in some ways, you don't even need to really look at the shadow here. So for you, it's, it's the adventure with the line three of adventure.

It's adventure squared. You know, it's this beauty of the boundlessness of pleasure and love and being a part of reality. It's a place where our mythos comes alive. It's a place where our, our dreams come from this kind of innocent space inside ourselves. And also in Deep Challenge, we can anchor to those memories of primordial innocence, and even with, you know, blessings to every person and what childhood trauma we've had to go through and learn from and be a part of, and at whatever level we had any safety or nourishment from our external family.

There is still a [00:41:00] primordial innocence inside each of us. And that's what the SQ brings, is the flood of love that's inside that primordial in in innocence. And for you it's adventure, and for me it's totality. It's it's this abundant, you know, generosity of being as completely present instead of falling into the old traps of purposelessness and emptiness.

And so that's where I think that gene key really sits, is how do we how do we utilize that innocent mythos of us? to radiate a flood of love, the breakthrough of us. 

Rachel: That definitely, definitely resonates. Yeah, I would say like my first experiences of like awakening were definitely all about these love lessons.

Of course, I'm a vessel of love incarnation cross. Of course, that would be what it was about. I feel like I definitely learned everything about myself and the world through this concept of love, but When you have that vessel of love incarnation cross, you really get to experience all the different facets of love, which is not just interpersonal love, of course, but love of the [00:42:00] self and love of humanity as a whole, which is like a lot cooler burning, you know, and then love sort of universal love.

And I would actually say that even though I'm a vessel of love, For me, like the sweet spot for that isn't so much focusing on individual people, it's very much like a, a more collective energy of sort of acceptance and just like embodying that. And so sometimes like, I actually mostly enjoy being by myself because that's where I can just like stay in the, in that place.

So yeah, it's just, it's interesting how these things are very. just really not about the individual people around us. Instead, they're just sort of an energetic experience that we have, um, with each, like, other fractal of consciousness and how we interact with them. 

Elijah: Right on. I mean, that's the greatest doorway, right, is right there and doesn't.

You know, you have the shadow of hunger. It doesn't hunger for that other being the [00:43:00] satisfaction. And, and, and instead the greatest adventure that Jinki speaks to the wormholes inside our own bodies, inside our own experience of the greatest freedom, the greatest boundlessness. Does not require external change and, and in fact, it is, it is that aloneness that is a portal to whatever that universal love, which I love when you said it burns coolly because that's, that's scary for the heart that only knows passionate love and the struggle and drama of that, but when we find that solace in a, in that universalized love, It takes, you said earlier, it takes some of the emotional charge out of the equation here, and suddenly those peaks and valleys are much less dramatic, uh, and victimizing, and instead those peaks and valleys become pleasure and information and flavor, you know, the line three I think is also like The flavor of life and the color and the vibrance of life and pain is another color and [00:44:00] beauty is another color.

And they're all these blissful amalgamations of each other. And that's, that's freedom, right? That that's a different kind of freedom than the hunger that needs the other to do something so that I feel safe, so that I feel held and worthy. But it doesn't exclude that that's not going to happen in our relationships.

I think that's the adventure too, is now I get to bring myself back into the world. But with a little less fear and a little more, a little less avoidance, I'd say it's like it can still have fear, but it's not avoiding the pain and pleasure. It's understanding that there is magic here. 

Rachel: Definitely part of the journey for me was not looking for somebody else to like fill something and instead sort of opening up to.

Love as like a field love as a force and then kind of looking for well Who's someone you know in any area of my life friend romantic work? Whatever someone who feels like in resonance with that field and so then they can kind of you can kind of connect [00:45:00] in that way as opposed to Yeah. Before it was just like, who can fill this empty void.

That's a lot of how just humans view relationships for a lot of reasons. All the things we go through as kids, we're not really taught that that's like a way to view love. So it's really, really interesting to make that shift. A lot of things change for sure. 

Elijah: You know, and then as, cause like you said, as kids, we learn things and I think that's what I love about the Venus.

Psychologically and again, this isn't excluding therapy and this isn't excluding other practices or modalities. In fact, you need those other practices and modalities to integrate this and, uh, and Jinkies isn't therapy, but it is contemplation and it is digestion and it is giving us a reference point to those experiences that that can be helpful in integrating.

In that the, the SQ is childhood, right? And deeper, even beyond birth is where the final sphere of the Venus sequence [00:46:00] is the core. And if you look at your free profile, if you're just looking at it right away, it'll say the word vocation because it's half blue and half red. It's the end of the Venus sequence as it becomes the pearl sequence.

And I think it's always good to remember the carrot at the end of the stick, the end of the rainbow is, is this. Our deepest core wound becomes our medicine. It becomes our vocation. It becomes our art. It becomes the thing that we absolutely are here to give to each other. And so if you're a coach or you're in wellness, or you're a mom or you're any, anything, anyone is in a service position, really, and we're learning those tensions that we've been so deeply wound up in and unwinding the wisdom and the love that's inside that.

So it gives me the courage when I look at my core wound of this, this might be a very deep. Dark place for me, you know, it's it's the womb. It's the nine months in the womb when we were gestating. It's that spiral into ourselves into our center and thus into the mother and into the mother and [00:47:00] into the mother and This moment of becoming an individuated being in that space is this core wound of what if we took on?

That shadow for the collective. What if what if that moment that big bang of our first, you know conception moment? Brought with it this magic. And in, in it's insidious, in its own, this pattern might be in everything in our relationship. So for me it's judgment is the shadow. And for you it's uh, immaturity, right?

Is this, these cycles and how do we start new cycles and what are we clear about when we start those new cycles? And what are we, our fears and our hidden and our incorrect decisions starting in those new cycles. And in turn, that core wound, when it's love, when it's embraced, when it's really felt is also equal to all of our gifts.

And suddenly, for you, expansion, and for me, integrity, we get to live with that vibration through our interactions. And that, that's why it bridges [00:48:00] from the inner plane of the Venus out into the outer plane. Is now it's me bringing this in my relationships, in my job, in my walk down the street. Um, It's the, it's the most magical point in the Genki's transmission, uh, in a lot of ways, and it can also be the most subtle.

Um, and that's why I love this kind of recapitulation work is. We're slowing things down in our life, unraveling one pattern at a time and seeing how they're all interconnected, but not being lost in the can of worms down here, how they're all woven. We're, we're looking at them with love and we're listening to each voice.

And this sometimes might be the quietest voice, but it's also, uh, a deep core part of ourselves. 

Rachel: Any final thoughts that you have about, I'm trying not to ask too open ended of a question because we're generators, right? So it's always helpful to have something to really respond to. But I guess you, you've done this, uh, Venus retreat a few times, right?

Elijah: I [00:49:00] have. I've done a collective retreat probably four times and then also smaller iterations in my community and in my clients and things, yeah. 

Rachel: Cool. So, what would be one of your favorite takeaways that you've had from leading these retreats? Just for someone who's maybe thinking of joining. 

Elijah: I think one of the things that I get the most out of is anything that you commit to, or at least I find, anything I commit to, that is when the energy starts.

So saying yes to leading this meant that the Venus kind of started for me several months ago and has been working in my body. It is my integrity key, which is my core wound. Has been asking me to reevaluate all of my decisions, all of my contracts, all of my, my deci, my yes no decisions. Mm-hmm . And that is so powerful for me right now.

And I think I wouldn't have done it if I didn't care about this collective field and have something to also relax into. Because when I get to come on the [00:50:00] calls and the community calls, I get to hear other people and I get to share honestly about my life. And I don't have the, you know, like you said, we find friends online that that really resonate with.

I don't have too many people in my life that I talked to that way. I'm a, I'm a hermit. I'm a six two and I have my own reality. So when I get to be in these spaces, I get to be held in that same grace field that I'm hoping everyone else feels. So it has been real for me. I think that's my biggest takeaway is I go through a birth process every time.

Rachel: Totally. I mean, I even experienced that just doing like the first two sequences that I did. I was like, Oh, I'm not, am I ready for this? Like it was kind of like, as soon as I started it, all these things started showing up in my life. And it's so interesting that the second that we kind of put our attention on something, it really does show up.

And of course it makes sense. We all know that. But I'm still just mind blown every single time that that's how it happens, and that's definitely [00:51:00] what happened to me. So I'm really looking forward to this. You did such a beautiful job, like, talking about my chart. I'm really excited that you're leading this.

And thank you so much for being here with us. 

Elijah: Oh, thank you. It's such a pleasure, and I hope to see you on the journey. 

Rachel: Remember to check out the Gene Keys Venus Retreat by clicking the link in the description. See you next time!